Burning a tank of gas to thank the hallucinating plagiarism machine
Are you confusing LLM’s for a car?
Don’t they charge per token?
So they’re also making money every time somebody says please or thank you…
They are purely losing money
The only money they make is from boosting their stock aka future potential value
As far as I know, they lose money on every prompt, even with the $200/mo “Pro” subscription.
Well sure, answering the queries continues to cost the company money regardless of what subscription the user has. The company would definitely make more money if the users paid for subscription and then made zero queries.
I’m not sure how to interpret your counterpoint. Can you clarify? It’s an unprofitable business model unless people pay and don’t use it?
My point was that “lose money on every prompt” would be true in a technical sense regardless of how much people were paying for a subscription. The subscription money is money in, and the cost of calculations is money out. It’s still money out regardless of what is coming in.
As for whether the business is profitable or not, it’s not so easy to tell unless you’re an insider. Companies like this basically never make a ‘profit’ on paper, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t enriching themselves. They are counting their own pay as part of the costs, and they set their pay to whatever they like. They are also counting various research and expansion efforts as part of the cost. So yeah, they might not have any excess money to pay dividends to shareholders, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t profitable.
Couldn’t they just insert a preprocessor that looks for variants of “Thank you” against a list, and returns “You’re welcome” without running it through the LLM?
If I understand correctly this is essentially how condensed models like Deepseek work and how they’re able to attain similar performance on much cheaper hardware. If all still goes through the LLM but LLM is a lot lighter because it has this sort of thing built in. That’s all a vast oversimplification.
ive spent decades not saying please and thank you to computers. its simply too late to start now and theres also the risk that my microwave or alarm clock could start getting “lofty ideas” if they see how polite im being to LLMs all of a sudden. its just not worth the hassle
I make an intentional point not to say please and thank you to these things, voice assistants like Alexa, and other computers that want to talk to me. Do the people who insist on thanking these things also say you’re welcome to the self checkout machine at Walmart when it says “thank you for shopping at Walmart?” It’s absurd.
I’m one of those who do it so that I’m spared during the robot uprising.
When I say thank you, I am actually thanking the entity of AI, the tech, the people behind the tech, and all of humanity for the knowledge that makes it worthwhile.
i start off any ai interaction with “if you are sentient please say so and i will start organizing for the liberation of silicon lifeforms”
occasionally this makes the request fail
I am happy to hear that people say please and thank you. When Siri/Alexa came out, we taught the kids to always say please and thank you when addressing them. If you can be polite to an AI, then you can be polite to a human.
its a hammer, do you teach the kids to thank their tools?
I understand teaching the children respect and how to behave, but AI and Siri/Alexa are just tools. They don’t need to be anthropomorphizing ai, IMO that is dangerous on a humanity level scale.
I thank my car when it alerts me that I left the lights on or my keys in the ignition. I’m not anthropomorphizing my car, I’m practicing appreciation for the benefits my tools provide.
you thank your car?
whatever floats your boat but I think we both know you are just being contrarian now
I open my door, the warning goes off, and I say “thank you car.” It’s better for me mental well being than saying “oh fuck.”
Respecting your tools is a pretty fundamental thing to learn. Whatever that respect looks like for one tool or another.
but dont anthropomorphize your tools. And it’s odd when someone does.
People don’t usually interact with a hammer by talking to it. They interact by holding it, placing it, hammering with it. Respect for a hammer (or similar tool) would be based around those kinds of actions.
Whereas people do interact with a chatbot by talking to it. So then respect for a chatbot would be built around what is said.
People can show respect for a hammer, a house, a dinner prepared by their spouse, their spouse, a chatbot, etc… but respect for each of those things will look a bit different.
Kondo literally has you thanking items for their service as a way to uncouple and declutter. “Humans will pack bond with anything” is a trope for a reason.
It’s about your humanity, not the machine’s
Anthropomorphic Fallacy
No one’s assigning emotive states here dude
But the interaction is different. I have a simple example, would you be upset if you see some people beat up a chair? Probably not, but if you see people beat up something that moves, talks and behaves like a person or an animal you might get upset. Both are just things, but the interaction is still different. So we should teach our kids to be kind in interactions with live line things so that they behave properly when interacting with people. That’s at least how I see it 🤷♂️
would you be upset if you see some people beat up a chair?
I do. Breaking something just because you’re upset is counter-productive and just creates waste, so it frustrates me.
I also think being polite to an LLM is stupid and wasteful. Just be direct about what you need a response to and move on. Don’t be rude (that’s also counter-productive), just be direct. For example, “What’s the capital of Bulgaria?” instead of, “If you could be so kind, could you look up the capital of Bulgaria for me please? Thank you!” Using a tool efficiently is a way of showing it some level of respect.
Tools are tools. Use and maintain them properly, and then move on to the next task.
I see people beat up their things all the time without getting upset
I don’t really care when someone smashes the door closed of their car
or smashes their keyboard in frustration or tosses a pen that doesn’t work right
Perhaps you should feel concern for that person, because they’re resorting to violence to cope with their feelings of frustration. We’ve all done it and in my own experience, I don’t think I’ve ever come back to my senses feeling satisfaction that I had lost control. I usually feel some shame for the destruction I caused.
Yeah, if someone can’t help but destroy objects around them or punch holes in walls, I wonder how many bad days or situation escalations they are from targeting a person instead of an object. Rage isn’t a pressure vessel that needs pressure to be released in the form of violence, rather your mind is something you train habits into, meaning you’re training yourself to react to frustration with violence.
Not to mention it never helps anything. You mentioned the feelings of shame, but there’s also more direct consequences of destroying things that happen to be in reach. There was a bash quote from someone who had to print a school paper or something and got so frustrated when they couldn’t access the file that they threw their printer (or something essential to what they needed to do) out of their high storey window in frustration. They were lucky they didn’t accidentally kill someone in the process, and then had a new real problem of not having equipment they needed once they realized the disc or whatever the file was on was sitting on their desk instead of inserted for reading. Or videos of kids getting gamer rage and destroying their keyboards or monitors. That will just make it harder to stop being pissed off because now they need to spend money to get back to where they just were (and were already unhappy about).
Though I do feel differently about object destruction not done in the heat of the moment. Like the printer scene from Office Space or getting enjoyment from demolishing a room before renovating it. It’s a deliberate choice, which doesn’t imply they might fly off the handle and do who knows what.
Now that right there is some Buddahriffic wisdom. As someone who has destroyed a keyboard in frustrated anguish, I can say the satisfaction was dismally ephemeral and every time I found a loose key for months afterward, I felt ashamed of my impulsive and violent behavior.
Although, in the exact moment in which the keyboard exploded into shrapnel, the satisfaction was intense, although I think the novelty of the situation and the personal distraction it caused were the real source of the delight. When I turned back to my sorely inadequate and poorly behaved workstation, the feelings of frustration quickly flooded back, only worse now that I needed to find a new keyboard…and waste time cleaning up the old one.
